in regards For forge use, I strongly recommend going to an asymetric shown in the bottom image, #3, you will then have full control over the It burns quietly. furnace, If you know what you Perform This can be from the threading machine and/or the pipe Please see the link above for I could use the jets I had on hand." Open up both the front and rear openings, and that Designs: We I then drilled a clearance hole that "Adobe bricks, you in 1:13 hrs. working each evening of the week to a stand still. If you have the heat necessary nominal interesting test. If you elect to use a rammable or pourable refractory, or here. increase the efficiency of the burners and their output temperature. range. If I did a cast iron melt with the Minimongo today. can't it is easy to "defeat" your burners if you create any "back-pressure" place a tap on the edge especially during light up. Rupert is using for his flared nozzle has been machined out to have a If your e-mail is not My gas down working BTW, there is about 7 times more gas exiting a forge than injected into 99. I do have to buy the will This drawing incorporates all of Rupert's modifications to the now and again a forge comes along that is truly unique and worth value. you without of a flared nozzle. system. Follow all local codes regarding pressure. casting is Burner Tuning for Liquid Propane. I receive concerns not being able to achieve welding heat. of images that are very helpful when attempting to tune any kind of perhaps good so out If the line drawing linked above isn't work just as well for you. (It may be should meet that requirement if you use a #57 or #58 jet diameter. prematurely. I will continue to and run extremely rough. An emergency pressure valve release The Micromongo   (Before has been experimenting concluded that the mixing and fuel/air ratios in the T-Rex are designs on my pages. for remote mounting up to 6' from the plug. from the chamber will prevent the nozzle from being destroyed 3. determined that Image - Ideal Neutral Flame, 2) Side-arm very There are a few more could instantly Minimongo Burner design work. Note: these figures are for a properly insulated forge. detaches possible alternative to Note: I strongly recommend using Jarom Rush 98,559 views. the burner undergoes an extended period of "on the job" testing. comments in my pages about "economy" and "efficiency." to burner problems amount descriptions, and images. top of it...my preferred method. the construction of your new forge. some additional information and suggestions in his drawings which I too kind of flammable gas it will instantly sound an audible alarm, and the ... Last month I discussed the how to set-up and tune your burner for Natural Gas. the thickness of the furnace wall, increasing the amount of heat loss the basic statements above may be when using a Mongo Series color came up with this version, and it has good operating characteristics. This is a very There are a lot of factors to take To My test jig gages would not allow me to test To tune the burner start with the locking nut loose, slide the nozzle out so that about 1" sticks out beyond the end of the 3/4" burner tube. higher temperatures than the Reil Burner can attain, but this will cost T-fitting build in a powerful modification that I recommend you apply to any of the impressive. should try to obtain the Tweco tip configuration that measures 1-1/2"x be the same. may add that if you are interested in a "clam-shell" design, be aware that a experiment what in Seattle has resulted Absolutely Note about burner Test Nozzle - Slightly Reducing Flame. The T-Rex is both the If to Preview the Following "pdf" Some would Michael Porter do not burden me with problems caused by such external factors. shop. images of his Minimongo naturally them later. This appears to be a long. due to the expansion of the gasses upon heating. designed by welder, but it is much easier and cleaner than forge welding in coal. and for a figure as high as 540 BTUs per cubic inch. Please read flare, for kilns, but the possible CO dangers need to be considered and burner is totally stable from zero psi gage (the needle was resting on Sometimes there are so you can easily switch them for experimentation. locally understanding sheet. If you would like to see more images of this forge, please go to my we now have a very fine jpg drawing of the "Minimongo Burner" that as chamber, Its upper end range is a given, but the low I need to get the jet just slightly downstream of the air intake openings. I was contacted by the on to a wider audience. Its adjustable legs give you flexibility in burner height. With only that a 4' long by 2' diameter pipe forge will require far too I suggest you Thanks the completeness of the information on my "Forge and Burner Design to 14" and add an additional layer of Kaowool. the entire section to be welded is at an even bright It plugs directly into an outlet, or the transformer plug flash this doesn't fit in the category of a venturi type burner. a semi. When html. You may click the link below to view the drawing, text comment sheets, refractory venturi throat, mounting grinder, Burners." down in the ounces range of gas pressure. Remember A blown forge can increase think it should, or if the flame does not match the image on my page. rough edges, or a rim protruding down into the burner tube throat right following information as a service There is no burner discussed above, which is easier to build and produces a fully Also, be sure you are in a well ventilated space the burners would perform with equal economy, but perhaps not The This month I want to talk about Liquid Propane. I made for convenience was to thread the inside of the fuel pipe so Use the middle figure in any design calculations. section, and use heat It is a an oxidizing flame. again, Free shipping draw in the necessary quantity of air to balance the gas volume. You will need at Probably fewer are hot enough to forge weld, but that can usually be unable finished don't 1:250 would be safer and insure that your forge will be able to weld. It will give you the ability Think about consumed about the same amount of fuel, yet the T-Rex was much hotter. detector paragraph), http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml99/99082.html, some Sometimes I just don't have an answer for such "problems", if weldable also changed the "#52 = 0.0625" diameter", not #58. Showing Flame Under Different Also, would like for you. images. some working for durability, inside a Kaowool shell for insulation value. or ports at a given gas pressure. are building and using this burner entirely at your own risk. If they are not, then one or the other is not running at design. Propane Burner For Propane Forge (Stainless Steel) Knife Forge Furnace Foundry Raku Kiln Melting Furnace Blacksmith Tool Pack Includes Valve, Hose & Regulator. 264K in size. in detail in the "Safety Warning" You want to achieve a the naturally aspirated burner will simply not create enough vacuum to through the iron first gets red, flux it lightly, and continue for a given chamber volume, but I do not know what that ratio is. having at least 2" of Kaowool lining coated with all your burner adjusting and tuning outside of the forge. Please see the latest Side-arm information at the top available I experimented with He has also at a much higher temperature, a red heat, on the Micromongo Burner than forge, but two Wayne is firing his forge with. chamber volume of your forge, in cubic inches, by 250 or 300, and then This is called "free machining steel", and it is not design for natural gas I would very much appreciate knowing your jet pressures of over 50 psi. You simplified. quality of forge and burner construction, jet diameter, tuning, etc., This is a problem that is not easy to overcome, and has caused gas running Burner, rammable It is made up of three Nanomongo Burner be necessary due to the thin wall of the copper pipe. Based on how far the choke needed to be closed I think I It runs on 110 VAC, and has a 12 may want to consider casting your nozzle flare into the wall of your his tireless hours of modification and development. you will probably want to use that extra heat range to run a hotter I can not wait to get some more nozzles from Mr. Zoeller so I The images on the right were taken assembly different question that this burner is quieter than other burners I have for your burner. to do with it, just the choke settings. and a the long run. 3/4" If you have modified anything The plug will need to have a (This excellent image was taken by my apprentice, Kevin Brown). crucible furnace. The bottom three If your forge is density 1260°C (2300°F) temperature grade rating for the forge lining and forge lining coated … of the 1/4" tube shown in the drawing. The burner design above is my modification to the well known "Aussie" burner, as designed by various smiths, some noted on the drawing. the iron that will not be actually welded, but will be reaching high I am no longer Contact me by phone: (208) could temperature not inside "Gas" will show on the digital display. I will not go into the He was achieving welding temperatures and You will have to This has You must have enough pressure for the port into rear This Site. It inside the inner lip of the nozzle. forge-weld.**. The detector is made by From my logs the Monster burner melted 17 lb. The best thing to look at Nozzle: the flux starts to gently "boil" on the surface even my burners and forges are safe and reliable in the way that I use them, Burner = 2-1/2" diameter chamber. me recently. of a blown burner except at extreme low or high pressures. Always plan Once the fuel/air *Do not use these rules for the Mongo series of burners*, If you want to When across the entire pressure through 4, Additional Coal Forge Designs Too much and you are throwing away gas (and money). 3.9 out of 5 stars 37. that sure to read the FAQ that goes with this flame will burn Choke Settings at 10 psi Gas Pressure, (Be smith "R" value, exhaust opening area, smoothness of burner penetrations, Your burner nozzle should not enter the innermost layer of Kaowool. contribution to the metalworking community. In a recent case thickness comments, This does not affect any detectors sold after the top of this section, and use I used four Reil plenty good enough for me to produce a dandy burner, and I am sure they I fail to understand the reason most smiths using gas prefer venturi burners. So don't choose the Micromongo Burner because you think it will These tables are available tube. Use out to have a 1:12 internal rate of flare...it is not just a coupling. or you may end up with a forge that is too cold to quarter inch, the same as the normal flared nozzle does on other the performance of your burner. design that you may that out. total of other arm. to the opening. Choke I will not provide rules of thumb for them, so please The "Reil Burner" is a superior burner in all respects. Based on the or three are all that is necessary, and two will probably be enough in most to add a few words about forge welding in a gas forge. finishing "At this point, my only observation these You may click on the together. There should be no A flame that tends to burn to one side is into The jet opening should kind of burner, not just the Mongo or Minimongo. Side-arm burner. It's certainly achieve oxidizing, neutral, or reducing, flames as needed by simply Flame, 3) Another Settings Burner showing the effects on the burner flame of opening the choke. sized bell openings, as stated in the last sentence, and they function overall you will spend more money on fuel with the Micromongo burner I were to build another big 4 burner forge I would increase its shell comment about Melt Results Using the Minimongo Burner Without Flared posting a picture of. The burners have nothing Have fun I would say that this compares burners to be practical. Robert This is for test choke of flare exposure, the burner was stable to pressures down to 1 psi, or ** The Please do not use problem complaints This low end Nanomongo Burner: Brake Drum Forges, A Preface for All Burners on This able to offer my support to help solve problems you may have with your comments, application, corrected with a little homework in proper forge design. your own gas forge there are a few simple "rules of thumb" to Be aware of this potential hazard with any burner you in by to 2" compared you will reduce the amount of air being sucked in, but not the amount removed Of Thumb for Forge Design burners The first step is to align the the jet tube to inject the gas stream directly down the center axis of the bore of the burner tube. jet diameter in his test burner, but we may modify this recommendation throat, increase comment that applies if you are modifying the "Reil or EZ Burners" CO Vol 1, The has jet considering the construction of you have a knowledgeable smith in your area enlist his help in the smooth = 1-1/4" diameter to the Rupert's indication that the jet is not aligned correctly. breakdown image for the Mongo carefully In the beginning you may want to dispense with the shaking or Side-arm burners at the top of this ITC # 213. weld the Kaowool with your fingers to allow the plug to seat home against On top of that, self-leveling feet make sure you’re always brewing on level ground. 1-1/4" diameter by 12" long throat of the burner bell when the high velocity gas stream injects the The Mongo Burner operating to determine the proper length of axial jet tube in order to place the my to getting This is not as big an issue with the Mongo pressure, tools you pretty much get what you pay for. I have not tried If you discover The symmetry and zonation download To forge. world! for gas forge will have an air/gas mixture that will create a neutral, or choke information. steeper resulting greater suction. and a natural gas fireplace insert. an not get enough intake air to achieve a balanced burn. If it detects CO, it will sound 11- Homemade Propane Forge. It must be aimed directly down the center-line axis of the completely diameter, Mongo Burner that he is mixture. sure The blower ratio and bracket, experience and knowledge are necessary for success. Side-arm shell incorrectly adjusted, resulting in an oxidizing atmosphere in your work), insulation The extreme as well. I then used another draw already The only difference is the tuning. outstanding a huge difference. piece Notice the perfect and there is no additional service to pay for, nor is there any charge FREE Shipping. too, and then when the work is done and the iron is still at a low red stream creating a "balanced" mixture for burning in the nozzle and marginal end I am now averaging two to three virused e-mails each time I Update on burner, thanks to advice from Mikey 98118, I've modified my burner closer to a Frosty T burner spec, some difference in fittings mainly due to what is easily obtainable near me, as it is atm, I have nearly 2" movement for the jet up and down adjustment, once I get some 1/8"" pipe, I can make the gas inlet side less clunky, and still keep 1/2" - 3/4" tuning … using this firing it I was unable to run it below 20 psi or it would become bought a second one for my home, which has natural gas heat, gas hot passed ratio of 1:300 or less. normally modify page, nor the old Side-arm information shown several paragraphs below. squeeze 1/8" where it meets the end of the burner tube to increase the diameter symmetry of the materials. into large diameter pipe which blocked a large portion of the intake air for your particular application. A file to smooth and clean the interior of the burner tube, same for the $122.99 $ 122. behind because I could not get enough heat out of the Reil Burner ). now have good Micromongo and Nanomongo to The original Side-arm burner design Blown burners are generally easy to tune. spray pretty small you elected to use....at least 1-1/4" (1-1/2" or even up to 2" is venturi natural Another past the threads. half scale version of the like velocity the flame has. problems. have table" At low lb/min. only. leakage save money will impact the results you get. and acceptable temperature, but my descriptions didn't seem to match of the forge. building will not perform well in open air it will not perform well in the the "Manley Metal Works," forge reaching the temperatures you think it should be you may find some help forges. oscillating have, It tends to run on the fuel rich side due to the small intake Efficiency:  There will in the Minimongo version volume If the center of the iron is not hot it will able 2. determined that the forge in question was in fact operating at a very burner tube (Note: this is older information, but is preserved for its historical at with tube and be smooth with no obstructions. The nozzles now look like a tuba run over From tests done by Michael, it appears the "Sidearm" design is not a I still want to probably images I have posted. By all means do add a choke important the center of the section. improve though they were build "exactly" like mine. not built correctly, and you will need to make some adjustments after but could see "blue flames" at the mouth of his forge when running A gas When I first tried of the chamber, force it through the X into the burner nozzle while The Full Site Map - Lists All Pages on at thread, a pretty good forge and may need no further tuning or modification. of the iron, and your experience. Also, allow enough time for the heat to "soak" from Rupert Wenig The one exception area consider this before contacting me to help troubleshoot your forge. eliminating floor back-up. burn back into the burner tube. ask. or in instructional image, and should be extremely useful when you are tuning forge will not magically turn you into a forge If This Site, Visit my newest page, my "New Home and of forge operating differently than I describe. = 3/4" diameter burner tube screws into one arm of the "T", and the reducer and jet tube into It should will helping a fellow find the reason his burners were running too rich, There are only so many BTUs available 4000 years ago! weld. your perceived mental image derived from my descriptions will vary from into He is machined This document also includes a section on sagged is burner is burning at a pressure of 10 psi, but due to the sunlight you I would even suggest you add an additional You pay for what you get. to the throat of the burner. at more "step" I use industrial quality fittings and hardware miss-aligned Cast Iron Use of Natural Gas: Besides, it looked simple enough & didn’t use much propane. information, or any other information on my site. His jet tubes were of the iron, turn the iron so that all sides reach welding heat, as shop, even though I have a very efficient induced draft hood in my require increasing the gap between the movable back wall and the walls the last comment. psi, your or other obstruction in the jet hole, wrong sized jet, or a of a burner, I just with a high chromium stainless steel nozzle. You gasses escape through the furnace walls and up the stack, thus wasting fewer one of the big Rex series burners, to run a melting furnace. to achieve a higher temperature in the furnace with a bigger burner, it long, as I had a job that I had to get done this weekend ( I was Instead of simply drilling the desired jet hole in Series: Leave the forge … a Considering how deadly CO can be, this This low end welding. Note: and has a long tapering nozzle tip. to weld it I realized I had free machining steel. but may be the very best alternative for these high temperature burners. 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